General tranny info covering all models & motors.
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By teal_dx
#68051 While I had my transmission apart replacing the 3rd gear synchro set (on the mainshaft) I noticed there were some worn parts on the countershaft as well. Only 3rd gear was grinding on my transmission, but while it is apart is a good time to replace everything that looks suspect.

Rebuilding a countershaft or mainshaft is not very complicated. You just have to be careful and pay attention. It is a lot like building a huge sandwich... you have your bottom bun, ham, salami, cheese, lettuce, tomato, pickes, mayo, top bun. Those things must go in a certain order. The countershaft must be pot together exactly as it was or you'll have big problems. You'll need a clean work area with enough space to lay each part out in the order you removed it. Then all you have to do is pick up each one in order and put it on the countershaft, just like building a big heavy metal sandwich. When installing the new parts, a thin coat of oil should be applied, don't put them on the countershaft dry. Also don't drop anything on the floor. Very tight tolerances and precise teeth make this work. it could be easy to damage these parts, so pick a good work space to start because you don't want to move everything once you start taking it apart.

This thread is just to help you get familiar with the parts & assembly of the countershaft. Before doing this yourself, have a manual in front of you. By reading on, you agree that I am not responsible for any damage you do to your vehicle.

First I'm going to take it apart.
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mount the countershaft in a vise but use 2 pieces of wood so you don't damage the countershaft.

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Use an impact wrench & 30mm socket on the nut on the end. Like an axle nut, the edge is punched in to prevent it from backing out. Usually you're not going to re-use an axle when you remove it for a torn cv boot or clicking. In this case punch the side back out so that when you spin it off, you don't gouge the countershaft (expensive to replace).

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Set the nut & washer aside.

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You'll need a puller to get the pressed gears apart. I'm able to grab under 4th gear. With a bearing type puller (recommended), you can get in smaller spaces such as between 4th and 5th. The type I'm using you can rent for free from Autozone (with deposit).

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4th, 5th, and the 2 ball bearings are now removed.

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I set them in the order they were removed so everything goes back together in the correct order.

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Here's what's left after. The next gear is 3rd and it is also pressed on.

You could use a hydraulic shop press with ease, but we don't all have those handy.
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I used the metal table of my craftsman table saw. You could also put the countershaft between 2 big steel blocks of the same height. A smooth flat clean surface is important.

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Hit the top of the countershaft straight on with a mallet. The countershaft will start to slide through all of the gears. Whatever you do, do not let it fall through and hit the floor. Keep your other hand on the countershaft or put a box & pillow under it if you don't have a free hand.

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Keeping things in order... 3rd gear

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2nd gear

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2nd gear synchro

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1st/2nd synchro hub

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1st/2nd synchro sleeve
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By teal_dx
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1st gear synchro

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and 1st gear.

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1st gear needle bearing. That's it, much less complicated than the mainshaft!

Now I'm holding an empty countershaft.

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Second Gear also has a collar and needle bearing that came off inside of the gear.

I bought a new first gear, expecting the worst.
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new 1st gear

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old 1st gear - noticable wear, teeth are rounded off and a little rough.
definitely replace!

1st/2nd synchro sleeve: new on left, old on right
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here's what the new one looks like.

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Here's some close up pics of the old teeth, they are rounded which shows they should be replaced, and chewed up too - definitely replace.

New synchros:
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not much wear when comparing old vs. new... but they are being replaced.

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New 1st/2nd synchro hub. Note the "UP" that is stamped on the gear. This side has to face up when you put it back together.
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By teal_dx
#68054 2nd gear: old vs new
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teeth on the old one show some wear.

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teeth on the new one look a little better.

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transfer the needle bearing & collar from the old 2nd gear to the new 2nd gear.

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Install the friction damper into the bottom facing edge of second gear as shown with tiny clips on the outside.

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The collar & needle bearing will sit against the friction damper.



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1st gear also has a friction damper if you need to see how it goes on.
1st gear also has a needle bearing inside, but no collar.
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By teal_dx
#68055 Put it back together....

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1st gear needle bearing installed.

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1st gear installed.

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1st gear synchro installed.

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1st/2nd synchro hub installed, "UP" stamped side facing up.

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1st/2nd synchro sleeve installed, outer gears on the top. The sleeve only goes on ONE way, just like on the mainshaft. don't force it!

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Next install second gear & second gear synchro as shown.

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3rd gear... needs to be pressed on.

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Back to my table & mallet... just like before but the countershaft is turned the other way, on 3rd gear.

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done!

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2nd gear, also needs to be pressed on.

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Instead of using the table, I put it in the bench vise using a piece of wood on each side to prevent damaging the counterahsft. (just like at the top of the thread) I used a 35mm socket & mallet to press 2nd gear on.

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first gear

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Now for the 2 ball bearings. I tapped them on with a 30mm socket & mallet.

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Put on the second ball bearing.

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Then the nut.

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After you torque it down, be sure to punch the lip into the notch on the countershaft tip.

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And you're done! Put it away in a bag to keep it clean before you put your tranny back together.
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By york62
#68082 wow this is quite a writeup, good for future reference.
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By Greasedmonkey
#68106 Very good job with this. It is truly as easy as you made it. I did this in my honda tranny class. Simple crap indeed. Even easier when you have a press too.
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By Classiccarsrule85
#68138 very nice write-up might have to do this to my b trans since i am taking gsr internals from a broken case and placing them in a ls case....but overall ery sweet write up

P.S. who would you choose to get the gears from ? or where did you get your new ones from?
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By Greasedmonkey
#68157 Your local honda dealership. There is a company that makes carbon coated synchros for the b trannys, but i cant remember what site it is right now. YOu can try to look it up.


ok I found it. Here you go. They also do D tranny stuff now.

http://www.gearspeedinc.com/products.htm#Synchro_Sets
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By yashep
#68527 cool write-up Teal :thumb:
excelente!! Now I can do mine, do you happen to have a DIY about making money??? :lol:
right now I'm short on funds and I call my local Honda and they quote me $850.88 for my rebuild 2, 3 and 4 with synchros *cough*rape*cough*
Oh well!!