b16 swap

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b16 swap

By tigerafro
- Sun Nov 07, 2010 5:42 am #221938 I currently have a d16z6 and i am think about buying a b16a. i searched and i just have a few questions that i couldnt find answers to:

1) it is a obd1 so is it easy to wire the harness?

2) i currently have an auto, will this be a huge problem to switch to an manual? (i'm thinking of doing the swap at a shop)

3) What kind of mpg will i be seeing?

4) what do i need to keep in mind to keep my p/s and a/c?


thanks for the help
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By 93hatcheg
- Sun Nov 07, 2010 5:50 am #221939 dont get a b16a, your d16z will be faster trust me lol. i have had a b16a and now have a z6 and it beats b16a with only hgaving i/h/e

i would suggest a b18a or b18b with a b16 tranny or a gsr swap. both wil be way faster than a b16a lol

as for the wiring OBD1 is awesome and esy to work with

the auto to manual conversion isnt too hard but does require a bit more than is expected.

the mpg with a b16a isnt amazing but its still a honda gonna get good mpgs compared to most :D

but to sum it up, dont get a b16 get either some sort of a b18 or b20 with a b16 tranny, they are usually cheaper and will be quicker
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By chrono404
- Sun Nov 07, 2010 6:19 am #221940 I agree with most of what 93hatcheg says.

With the cost of a b16 swap its not worth what you get. Especially when you figure you have to get an auto-manual swap as well.

If your going B Series, Get a B18a/b and a Hydro B16 tranny. It should run about the same as a full b16 swap but will be much quicker.

Fuel Economy? my b16 had aweful(for hondas) economy. I got 21-25. I get better with my jdm b20/b16 tranny with 22-27. B16 Transmissions wont let you get good fuel economy. If you want to get good economy, Look into building your z6. Unless you have an ls(b18b) tranny you wont get good fuel economy(over 30mpg) But going with the LS Tranny will make you slower then a z6 with i/h/e so its almost pointless.

if you get a b16 you will need a b16 power steering pump bracket and a b16 a/c bracket. most of the time they come on the engine when you get them. If not then you would have to buy them from honda or get really lucky at a junkyard.

If you go with a B18a/b or a b20b/z any 94-01 Integras bracket will work.
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By Ecc0
- Sun Nov 07, 2010 10:53 am #221959 I miss having a D series so much, they are a happier little engine and they are SO much cheaper to mod and you get just as much speed out of it plus hold fuel economy alot better.

I think it was said best on Del Sol UK back in the day "One Cam to Rule them all" lol

By tigerafro
- Sun Nov 07, 2010 4:48 pm #221990 I appreciate everyones input. I neglected to say i can buy the b16 for 1000 if that changes anyone's thoughts. My d also has 165k on it and this b has 70k.
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By chrono404
- Sun Nov 07, 2010 6:17 pm #221999
tigerafro wrote:I appreciate everyones input. I neglected to say i can buy the b16 for 1000 if that changes anyone's thoughts. My d also has 165k on it and this b has 70k.


If the b16 has a good tranny get it. sell the b16 engine alone and pick up a b18b or b20 for what you sell the B16 for. If its only the engine for 1000 then its not worth it. You have to buy the rest of the mounts, harness tranny, axles etc

By tigerafro
- Mon Nov 08, 2010 12:20 am #222044
chrono404 wrote:
tigerafro wrote:I appreciate everyones input. I neglected to say i can buy the b16 for 1000 if that changes anyone's thoughts. My d also has 165k on it and this b has 70k.


If the b16 has a good tranny get it. sell the b16 engine alone and pick up a b18b or b20 for what you sell the B16 for. If its only the engine for 1000 then its not worth it. You have to buy the rest of the mounts, harness tranny, axles etc


after somoe further research, i am going to hold off on the swap. the 1000 would cover the swap, but my car is a dd and i want to try to keep 70 mph lower than 4000 rpm.

my car has vtec already, so i think i want my next engine to have vtec too. should i just save for another car or go for a k20z3 swap? i want more power stock.

http://www.honda-tech.com/showthread.php?t=1380200

anyone who's interested on seeing what i read. hopefully this will help others
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By chrono404
- Mon Nov 08, 2010 2:11 am #222056
tigerafro wrote:
chrono404 wrote:
tigerafro wrote:I appreciate everyones input. I neglected to say i can buy the b16 for 1000 if that changes anyone's thoughts. My d also has 165k on it and this b has 70k.


If the b16 has a good tranny get it. sell the b16 engine alone and pick up a b18b or b20 for what you sell the B16 for. If its only the engine for 1000 then its not worth it. You have to buy the rest of the mounts, harness tranny, axles etc


after somoe further research, i am going to hold off on the swap. the 1000 would cover the swap, but my car is a dd and i want to try to keep 70 mph lower than 4000 rpm.

my car has vtec already, so i think i want my next engine to have vtec too. should i just save for another car or go for a k20z3 swap? i want more power stock.

http://www.honda-tech.com/showthread.php?t=1380200

anyone who's interested on seeing what i read. hopefully this will help others


k20z3 is a pointless swap just like the b16. the K20z3 has Vtec-E style Vtec but also the "small" 2.0 litter bottom end. It will be slow unless you do boost, even then a b18b1 will give similar performance for less money. For very similar money to a k20z3 swap you can get a k24a1 swap which still has VTEC-E style Vtec, however has 160lbs of sexy torque, in addition to 160hp. It will also be able have a VTEC styled head installed (from K20a,k20a2,k20z2,k24a2) and then get performance vtec.

Only good thing about a K20z3 swap is that you can brag you have a K Series swap and when you have cash you can swap out the poser K for a real one.
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By asianrob
- Mon Nov 08, 2010 4:41 am #222078 personally id do the B16 swap. if you dont like the short gear tranny do LS 5th gear or get GSR trans.

D series is alright. i dont mean to dog on it but i havent seen one stock for stock take on a B16.
and i do happen to know that some Singles(BPU) can take B16(stock)

but head to head i had a CX with a Z6 with AEM Cold Air Intake DC 4-2-1 header and exhaust no cats or resonator with SP1 muffler.
Si had pretty much same mods AEM cold air DC header and stock exhaust.

he pulled me by 1 car. both cars full interior and just the driver.

so i mean D series is nice. but a B16 with just a Head package will do some damage.

Z3 would be worth it K20A3 wouldnt. Just pointing that out Z3 is Si motor from 06+ while A3's are BASE RSX and 02-05 Si's
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By 93hatcheg
- Mon Nov 08, 2010 6:00 am #222087 i still say no on the b16 lol. however a k series swap is going to require more work to complete and cost alot more for not a super much amount of gains. if you want bone stock raw HP get a h22a swap, bone stock you can have 200hp and 160tq. yes they are a lil heavier than bs and ds but if this a DD that extra wieght shouldnt be too bad
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By Cl9junky
- Mon Nov 08, 2010 6:13 am #222090 Cost to power ratio i would do the H22 swap as well. Plus the H will give you that low rpm at 70 mph you are looking for :thumb:
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By asianrob
- Mon Nov 08, 2010 6:43 am #222097 or just turbo your single?
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