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- Tue Dec 16, 2008 10:13 pm #84068 Hi all. I am a newbie to the eg world. Anyone please feel free to correct me or steer me in the right direction at anytime. I just recently acquired my first eg. I have always loved the eg since the days they were new, and I have recently had the fortune of acquiring one at a great price. Now I am ready to build...
I have spent quite a bit of time reading in forums (a lot on this site) trying to get as much information as possible about where to start, how to start, how to build, etc. My first thought was that I wanted to start at the core of everything- the engine. So I have been doing research on different engines that people swap into an eg. The most popular seems to be the H22 and the B18. Apparently the H22 is great for spray and the B18 for boost. I personally think I am leaning towards the B18, simply because it seems to be a very straight forward and easy swap to complete. Plus it is a very interchangeable engine that you can get a fairly large amount of hp out of and you also get to keep your ac. My question here though is what exactly is the difference between the B18c1 and the B18c5. I have heard and seen both being referred to as the Type-R. Can someone please clarify for me why the c1 can sometime be referred to as GSR and sometimes Type-R?
My next question is that is it absolutely true that if you have the c5 that it is better to run it N/A (which I am assuming non aspirated means no turbo)? Or is the B18c1 a better buy for the money and just boost it?
I have also considered trying to find a K20A2, but apparently everyone thinks that they are still over priced, and I am a big fan of saving money, but I am willing to if it means building the car right. Although I dont want to drop 7k on a K20 that might have 15-25 hp more than what I can get out of a B18. What can I gain by K20 that cant be pulled out of a B18?
My current budget is around 5k - 6k preferably. I will be taking my time over the next 7-8 months doing this and building my eg the right way. But I desperately want some sense of direction on where to take it. This car will eventually be my weekend fun toy. Not a strictly track or drag. But I want it to be fast as hell. I will be acquiring parts and pieces over the next 7-8months and going in and tearing down to the shell, painting and rebuilding from the ground up with what I start to buy now. So far I have skunk2 coil overs and G-racing Kyoto wheels on Falken Ziex rubber. Also swapped the seized d15b7 for a JDM D15b from Japan (for now ). Thanks for any replies.

bboy for life

- Tue Dec 16, 2008 11:54 pm #84093 ls/vtec. best baing for the buck. so im told. get a ls block and slap a b16 vtec head on. get the block tapped first for the vtec. get a 100 shot of nos and a big turbo. that will be really fast lol.

i dont know just fucking round. but ls/vtec seems to be the hot thing in right now. you can pull some awsome numbers. how much hp you looking for? or should i ask do you want turbo, vtec or just a built ls?

- Wed Dec 17, 2008 12:04 am #84095 What is the engine model of the ls/vtec and what does it come out of? In case I want to start looking into finding one. What kind of numbers can that achieve? Now remember, I'm not necessarily looking for the best bang for my buck, I just want something I will always be happy with but i don't wanna overpay. I don't want to one day say... damn I wish I would have done this or that. I am pretty sure though that I do want a nice turbo setup. I am hoping to have around 400+ hp when all is said and done. Also, are there a lot of people using nos along with a turbo setup? I have been under the impression that you really should choose one or the other depending on what engine you run.

Thanks!

- Wed Dec 17, 2008 1:27 am #84110 ok since you are new to this i would sugest to search this forum more. all those questions have been answeres somewere in here. there is tones of post on what ls/vtec and crvtec are. also look in the ereay of what is the best motor. there is engine specs. go threw and look at the 1/4 mile time and see what they are running. great to see new ppl getting into it and really want to build a car. brain storm a little. look at turbo setups and all motor. i personaly am building a high compression ls. should be round 11.1:1 compression. hoping to pull close to 200 ponys but i wont know till i finish. so just see what everyone has. its hard to chose what you want. but if you going for 400 hp boost the bitch. get a ls and take it and have the hole head and block worked. put in low compression internals and run like 14lbs of boost. chip the ecu and slap in a gsr tranny and should be runnin 12 in the1/4. good luck tho. hope this helps a little. i leave the rest of this to the more experianced ppl on this site. o and for the nos thing im not a fan of it. and i dont see to many ppl run it anymore.

- Wed Dec 17, 2008 1:52 am #84116

if you going for 400 hp boost the bitch. get a ls and take it and have the hole head and block worked. put in low compression internals and run like 14lbs of boost. chip the ecu and slap in a gsr tranny and should be runnin 12 in the1/4. good luck tho.

hell yeah.... thats the kind of answers i want.
Thanks a million. preesh!

- Wed Dec 17, 2008 7:07 pm #84240 if you were close in california i would sell you my ls. got it for sale for 300 bucks. its a great start if your looking for a block and head to build.

- Wed Dec 17, 2008 7:13 pm #84243

if you were close in california i would sell you my ls. got it for sale for 300 bucks. its a great start if your looking for a block and head to build.

I would love to take it off your hands, but I'm all the way in the A! that would be a perfect start. Maybe I can find a similar deal around here somewhere though. There aren't as many tuners here in GA as in CA I'm sure. So junkyards are a little more rich with finds here. Besides, I have been considering the B18c1 with a nice t3 turbo. What ya think? Any particular reason why the ls/vtec would be better than that?

- Wed Dec 17, 2008 8:42 pm #84260 ya if i were to go to a junk yard guess what i find?
JUNK.
ya cali got lots of imports round here so after market parts are easy to find. its the rare stock parts we cant get.
ya a b18c1 with turbo should be ok. im not on the ls-vtec but i know you can turbo them and be fast. just there not reliable. its what we like to call a frenkinstein motor. block from one engine witch is not a vtec block and turning it into a vtec block and adding a vtec head from a diff. motor. if it is not done right it will be a mess. but i think witha turbo gsr will be great. aspessaly if ya do head and block work to it. love to see a wright up and some pics of the car too.

- Wed Dec 17, 2008 9:00 pm #84261 I will definitely be doing a full build write up with pics come about July 09. I am paying down my credit card and saving money right now to put into her. I will be acquiring various things here and there until then. And when the time comes and I am ready and have everything that I need, my brother and I will be taking about a week off of work and tearing the thing down to the shell and building from the ground up.

PLANS
-repaint. (not sure of color yet. maybe same stock red)
-rs lip kit all the way around
-cf hood and hatch, maybe roof (considering painting all to hide)
-b18c1 (low comp and bored with new rods piston cams etc.)
-t3/t4 turbo kit
-various other engine parts (exhaust, intake mani, fuel inj, etc)
-new wheels (thinking enkei j10) and rubber
-sway bars and struts etc. whole 9 on the suspension(already have Skunk2 coils)
-new cluster with tach (thinking SI or maybe GSR)
-new carpet
-gathers rear int panel with speaker mounts
-RSX seats
-short shifter
-and last but not least, a bad ass alarm on her

I think I will be pretty happy from there. Any ideas or suggestions are appreciated?

- Wed Dec 17, 2008 10:00 pm #84264 wow sounds like ya got a plan. as for the clust do an si cluster a gsr one wont fit the civic dash. and the rsx seads are nice but your going to pay way to much for them if you find em. go with some momo or bride seats. youl be happier.

but for the most part sounds cool. get some pics of what she looks like now just to what ya working with.

and im doing the same to my car. its my project. i got pics up of what it looks like in the you ride section sedan. and i work on my day in and day out. was suppose to be more of like what you are planing like buy all my parts and take a week off work and put it all in. well as soon as i buy something i put it on lol.

- Wed Dec 17, 2008 10:11 pm #84266 Keep in mind here that this is a very preliminary plan. It can change in a moment with the right deal or just further research. But this will be a long term car for me. I want to do it only once and have it for a long time to come- so no half stepping for me. I may give it to my son (when I have one) one day waaaay down the road. Ill try to get some pics posted up soon. I put a few up yesterday in the wheels forum; wheel size topic.

I'm not sure what your definition of expensive is for RSX seats, but I see them here in the southeast for about $250-300 all day long and in good condition. I like their JDM appeal. Not opposed to other seats though.

- Wed Dec 17, 2008 10:26 pm #84270 b18c1 anyday. the b18c5 has higher compression which gives it such good hp numbers but the lower compression of the c1 allows for better boost conditions.

single slammer = one cam of fury.


si = supercharger inside

- Thu Dec 18, 2008 12:08 am #84286

PLANS
-repaint. (not sure of color yet. maybe same stock red)
-rs lip kit all the way around
-cf hood and hatch, maybe roof (considering painting all to hide)
-b18c1 (low comp and bored with new rods piston cams etc.)
-t3/t4 turbo kit
-various other engine parts (exhaust, intake mani, fuel inj, etc)
-new wheels (thinking enkei j10) and rubber
-sway bars and struts etc. whole 9 on the suspension(already have Skunk2 coils)
-new cluster with tach (thinking SI or maybe GSR)
-new carpet
-gathers rear int panel with speaker mounts
-RSX seats
-short shifter
-and last but not least, a bad ass alarm on her

I think I will be pretty happy from there. Any ideas or suggestions are appreciated?

forgot to add a couple major things here.
-all wheel disk brakes. maybe Wilwood
-LSD tranny.

- Thu Dec 18, 2008 12:14 am #84288 ya the seats wont bolt up they have to be moded to fit. the seat rail are different than are cars no holes wil line up but if you taking the time to do it right it will be sick. ya the b18c1 is better for boost. that will be so clean to boost. wish i had the cash to do that. but ill live with a built ls.

- Thu Dec 18, 2008 2:55 am #84339 low compression isn't necessarily better for boosting. It's just easier to get away with a sloppy tune. You can boost a higher compression motor, you just need less boost and a really good tune to avoid detonation.

If you're upgrading from drums to discs then you'll also want to swap a master cylinder/brake booster/proportioning valve from at least an Si or a GSR without ABS

Also, if you're throwing down 400whp, you're going to have traction problems if you're on street tires. These cars are too light for that kind of useable power. I think you'll be okay on slicks, at the strip though.

good luck and keep us updated