- Wed Dec 18, 2013 10:20 pm
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It will change camber if the arm is shorter or longer, but the question is HOW MUCH? And also if you NEED that camber change. Also, changing the length of the lower control arm will change the geometry of the entire front suspension. Where is the change in length? Between the subframe bolt hole and shock hole? Between the shock hole and the ball joint? We don't know and all of those factors could cause more harm than good.
They are considered cheap because that is exactly what they are. It honestly looks like they took a mold of the OEM lower control arm, filled it with aluminum and drilled out the holes for the bushings, ball joint and other part of the lower control arm. Which is not smart...
A couple of years ago I went to my sponsors shop and noticed he had an EG front lower control arm assembly lying on the floor. I asked him what he was doing with it. He was, at the time, considering coming up with an aftermarket lower control arm. He said the major issue is producing something that will be safe. He said the stock arms are under much larger loads and stresses and are designed to bend a certain way during a collision. Replicating that with an aftermarket aluminum arm is very difficult. Did you know the Function7 rear control arms are designed in a way to work just like the OEM arms? Did you know Function7 is TRYING to do the same with the front arms, for a while, and have been testing but they haven't released anything yet. My sponsor, as far as I know, hasn't gotten anywhere with a front lower control arm design because it requires rigorous testing, which is time and money. All of that leads to good engineers making proper decisions. NOT just spitting something out there that fits, looks shiny and claim it can do this and that.
Think about how many companies make rear LCA's. Now think about how many make front, only one reputable one which is Omni. When a no name company that can't even make a good description of their own item magically pops up with one, it doesn't take an engineer to know that this item is garbage.
The stock ride height is a legitimate hypothetical problem. Think about it, all the rear LCA's(at least good ones) use the same size specs as OEM. So regardless if you are stock height or lowered, it makes no changes to your camber directly. You would want the same for the front LCA's. Make your camber changes with the upper control arm, NOT the rear. They don't even specify HOW much camber it corrects, which is stupid.
Will these things fit? Probably. Are they good? I wouldn't trust my life with them. Will they work? Short answer, no.
Just for thought, take a look at Function7's counterfeit warning. Some people have sold fakes of the real deal. Look at the fakes, they LOOK like they might be okay right? They LOOK like they could be good. They LOOK like they will work. But they are in fact inferior.
http://www.function-7.com/warning
You asked for opinions, I gave you my opinions with experience and knowledge to back it up. By all means give those things a try. Just don't complain when you hit a pot hole at highway speeds and these things crack in half and send your car into another car, a guard rail, tree, etc..
Sponsors: Karcepts, SSC Tint & Graphics Rubber Duckie Racing
egsedanguy wrote:Never said I was going to buy them, only said I would not mind getting a set to try out, and yes I read the descripton. and yes it will change the camber if the arm is shorter/longer Why do you think I posted on here to get opinions from people. And I havnt bought anything from e-bay in almost 3 years. I always go strait the the sorce to purchace. Since no one has tryed them on here, I dont see how they are consider false/cheap parts Just cause its on e-bay. I Simply posted for opinions. I understand the whole camber thing. And why the hell would someone buy a set for stock ride highth? Also I have had poly bushings and yes they are good. But I was not asking how to tighten my suspension up. I was not looking at these for the bushings, just wanted input from those who have tryed them. What if they are good? What if they work? sorry if i sound harsh but i have had a bad day with the car.
It will change camber if the arm is shorter or longer, but the question is HOW MUCH? And also if you NEED that camber change. Also, changing the length of the lower control arm will change the geometry of the entire front suspension. Where is the change in length? Between the subframe bolt hole and shock hole? Between the shock hole and the ball joint? We don't know and all of those factors could cause more harm than good.
They are considered cheap because that is exactly what they are. It honestly looks like they took a mold of the OEM lower control arm, filled it with aluminum and drilled out the holes for the bushings, ball joint and other part of the lower control arm. Which is not smart...
A couple of years ago I went to my sponsors shop and noticed he had an EG front lower control arm assembly lying on the floor. I asked him what he was doing with it. He was, at the time, considering coming up with an aftermarket lower control arm. He said the major issue is producing something that will be safe. He said the stock arms are under much larger loads and stresses and are designed to bend a certain way during a collision. Replicating that with an aftermarket aluminum arm is very difficult. Did you know the Function7 rear control arms are designed in a way to work just like the OEM arms? Did you know Function7 is TRYING to do the same with the front arms, for a while, and have been testing but they haven't released anything yet. My sponsor, as far as I know, hasn't gotten anywhere with a front lower control arm design because it requires rigorous testing, which is time and money. All of that leads to good engineers making proper decisions. NOT just spitting something out there that fits, looks shiny and claim it can do this and that.
Think about how many companies make rear LCA's. Now think about how many make front, only one reputable one which is Omni. When a no name company that can't even make a good description of their own item magically pops up with one, it doesn't take an engineer to know that this item is garbage.
The stock ride height is a legitimate hypothetical problem. Think about it, all the rear LCA's(at least good ones) use the same size specs as OEM. So regardless if you are stock height or lowered, it makes no changes to your camber directly. You would want the same for the front LCA's. Make your camber changes with the upper control arm, NOT the rear. They don't even specify HOW much camber it corrects, which is stupid.
Will these things fit? Probably. Are they good? I wouldn't trust my life with them. Will they work? Short answer, no.
Just for thought, take a look at Function7's counterfeit warning. Some people have sold fakes of the real deal. Look at the fakes, they LOOK like they might be okay right? They LOOK like they could be good. They LOOK like they will work. But they are in fact inferior.
http://www.function-7.com/warning
You asked for opinions, I gave you my opinions with experience and knowledge to back it up. By all means give those things a try. Just don't complain when you hit a pot hole at highway speeds and these things crack in half and send your car into another car, a guard rail, tree, etc..
Sponsors: Karcepts, SSC Tint & Graphics Rubber Duckie Racing
