LS/VTEC OR B16

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By -EJ1- COUPE
- Wed Dec 12, 2007 8:20 pm #33424 people make a big deal about ls/vtecs honestly im so sick of people going is that an lsvtec or this and that. its all preference, so with that said i would go with a b16. all the homework was already done by honda just drop it in and go
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By Split_second
- Wed Dec 12, 2007 9:23 pm #33440
JLau wrote:
Split_second wrote:ls-vtech if done right me honestly i think b16 is garbage


It's VTEC and garbage based on what?


its a 1.6 v-tech alot of ppl swap em in b16 bcause its cheap but theres no power at all 2 b16 motors i seen b16 get smoke by single cam v tech
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By JLau
- Thu Dec 13, 2007 12:46 am #33495
Split_second wrote:
its a 1.6 v-tech alot of ppl swap em in b16 bcause its cheap but theres no power at all 2 b16 motors i seen b16 get smoke by single cam v tech


No, it's a 1.6L VTEC and yes alot of people swap em because they are cheap but I don't see how that affects how bad a motor is. :roll:

And you've seen single cams beat em? Stock for stock? I doubt it. The singles were either on the bottle or boosted so that means nothing either.

So basically the B16 is a crap motor becuase of it's popularity and lesser motors are capable of beating it so EVERY SINGLE MOTOR ever designed is a crap motor based on what you've provided.

It's high rev capability means absolutely nothing. It's long standing reliability even with such a high strung redline means nothing. It's HP per liter which is the same as USDM GSR motors even w/ less displacement means nothing. Don't even use the no torque arguement to bash it because last I checked, the numbers on all Honda motors are pathetic in OEM form. It's an inline four, not a V8.
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By -EJ1- COUPE
- Thu Dec 13, 2007 12:50 am #33497 im sticking behind jlau here. hes had a built lsv and a b16 so im sure he know his stuff
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By Greasedmonkey
- Thu Dec 13, 2007 3:18 am #33516 Im all for builiding motors, but I passed on building a LSV because I would worry too much aobut reliability and what not. I choose to do GSR instead.

I would stick with the b16a over the LSV and Im not a big b16a fan. Im with JLau
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By JLau
- Thu Dec 13, 2007 5:10 pm #33610 Don't get me wrong. A built LSV ain't nothing to mess with but the abuse I put on my 1st B16 was amazing. I'd consistantly push the tach up there and actually shifted late many times above red, by mistake of course, and she kept going. My brother mishifted the shit out of it with out even a hiccup she kept going strong.

My LSVTEC went like this....

B18A1 block
Port and polished JDM B16A Head
JE 11:1 CR pistons
ARP Head Bolts
ACL Bearings
Balanced and blue printed crank
Crower Springs and Retainers
Cometic head gasket
MSD Spark plug wires
OEM Camshafts

Yeah, it was missing cams. I would have felt better sleeved but even then I would not feel right revving it high. OEM engineering will always be better in my mind for high revs where all honda motors shine and where I feel I need to be.

On the other hand, I'll take a B18C R any day or a K20 if I was a BALLER. You can keep LSV's and B20V's. I'll take the motors designed to rev.
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By Ej2-B16a
- Thu Dec 13, 2007 9:24 pm #33643
JDM FERIO MAN wrote:Ls VTEC all day F@(k B16's a B16 is just like a big d16z6 wich is a sh!t motor :woot:


your forgetting that we have a extra camshaft :lol:
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By LowTEC-Derbo
- Thu Dec 13, 2007 10:10 pm #33652 Jlau couldn't have said it any better.


Reliability goes to the B16A.

LS.VTEC is not a stock upgrade so it can vary on how well it is in power/reliability. I know some people with a semi built LSVTEC that daily drives without problems but there are others with a stock head/ ls block that have issues and vice versa.


Honestly I would get the B16A as it is a better platform for building up. If you dont like the displacement, stroke it. :P



I'm with Jlau, K20R or B18C5 ftw. I'm stuck with my boosted d16z6. :(
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By asianrob
- Thu Dec 13, 2007 10:40 pm #33654 LS vtec is very reliable as many motors that me and my bro build and sold LS vtec is the one that we liked the most because you can use almost all OEM parts and make close to 180hp we built 4 of them 1 he blew up because of No rev limit and 3 he sold and the last he built was a B20Vtec which made 185 Before tune which consist of

84.5M RS machine type R pistons (yea 84.5 is really close lol but it made nice power)
JG edelbrock manifold
ACL bearings
power seal rings
ITR valves
Rocket Motor sports valve springs and retainers
Jun Stage 3 Cams
65mm JG edel brock Throttle body
stock Rods with ARP bolts
Micro polished crank
ECU= Socketed P28 was going to use Hondata S100 but sold the motor

now he has a
GSR with AEBS intake manifold
65mm JG T/B
ACL bearings
powerseal rings
Stock rods with Arp bolts
mircopolished and balanced crank
socketed P28
no dyno yet but its for sale lol
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By LowTEC-Derbo
- Thu Dec 13, 2007 11:01 pm #33655
DC4rob wrote:LS vtec is very reliable as many motors that me and my bro build and sold LS vtec is the one that we liked the most because you can use almost all OEM parts and make close to 180hp we built 4 of them 1 he blew up because of No rev limit and 3 he sold and the last he built was a B20Vtec which made 185 Before tune which consist of

84.5M RS machine type R pistons (yea 84.5 is really close lol but it made nice power)
JG edelbrock manifold
ACL bearings
power seal rings
ITR valves
Rocket Motor sports valve springs and retainers
Jun Stage 3 Cams
65mm JG edel brock Throttle body
stock Rods with ARP bolts
Micro polished crank
ECU= Socketed P28 was going to use Hondata S100 but sold the motor

now he has a
GSR with AEBS intake manifold
65mm JG T/B
ACL bearings
powerseal rings
Stock rods with Arp bolts
mircopolished and balanced crank
socketed P28
no dyno yet but its for sale lol


but see is this stock? :P


if you slapped a GSR head on a LS Block...which is more reliable? B16A or that?

I know for a fact LS/VTEC is a very reliable setup if done right but I have yet to see a stock one as in as little as possible done be as reliable as the B16A.
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By JLau
- Fri Dec 14, 2007 12:32 am #33663 No doubt a LSV can be built to be reliable. I've never made that statement but the LS and B20 rotating assembly was never designed to rev they way the VTEC heads were to make the power they do in that range of the RPM band. Also, both blocks are missing VTEC oil squirters that aid in lubrication at such high rpm's. I will stick to the same arguements that were used when the frakenstiens were developed.

If it was such a great idea, why is it that 99% of all LSV's and B20V's are only used by induvidual tuners and forum jumpers and not large company track cars. I can not think of one company built or sponsored track car that uses these motors. It's either stroked B16's or Type R's. GSR's are rarely used by them.
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By asianrob
- Fri Dec 14, 2007 4:03 am #33694 its already Vtec ready they'll buy a GSR or type R and build from there with less hassle i suppose but that is true LS and the B20 werent made to be high revving motors just i dont like the B16 at all lol
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By Split_second
- Fri Dec 14, 2007 11:07 am #33728 dats y i just went with gsr

By split sec eg
- Sat Dec 15, 2007 2:47 am #33816
Split_second wrote:
JLau wrote:
Split_second wrote:ls-vtech if done right me honestly i think b16 is garbage


It's VTEC and garbage based on what?


its a 1.6 v-tech alot of ppl swap em in b16 bcause its cheap but theres no power at all 2 b16 motors i seen b16 get smoke by single cam v tech


are you talking about my green coupe?? man... i get kenny of the line but my clutch is bad .. dont get me wrong dat single cam was built ..
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By Split_second
- Sat Dec 15, 2007 10:42 am #33832
split sec eg wrote:
Split_second wrote:
JLau wrote:
Split_second wrote:ls-vtech if done right me honestly i think b16 is garbage


It's VTEC and garbage based on what?


its a 1.6 v-tech alot of ppl swap em in b16 bcause its cheap but theres no power at all 2 b16 motors i seen b16 get smoke by single cam v tech


are you talking about my green coupe?? man... i get kenny of the line but my clutch is bad .. dont get me wrong dat single cam was built ..


hahah y are you in this conversation? im just speaking in general and yes you did get smoke by single cam vtech so did putt b16 is garbage
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