b16 sirII, b18c1, or h22 ??????

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b16 sirII, b18c1, or h22 ??????

By jrhdominos
- Mon Feb 01, 2010 10:31 am #172467 Wasn't really sure where this topic should be place, so I figured this section would be as good as any...well here goes...
I have a 94 Civic coupe, with the d15b7, and am considering an engine swap. As you all know there's a stupid crazy variety of swaps available, but Im really stuck between the b16, b18, or the h22. My car will probabbly never see track time...maybe some stop light battles lol or some freeway runs, Im just looking for something that can satisfy my spirited daily driving (keep in mind I also want stock reliability). Ive heard good things about the b16, but also that I would probably be disapointed with the outcome. Ive heard that the b18c1 is the "best overall swap", and doesnt cost MUCH more than the b16. An h22 has also been on my mind, from what I hear, this motor would make an eg crazy fast, but then I also want AC, BUT im willing to reconsider.
What Im really trying to do is just weigh the pros and cons, and see what I come up with, but I figured it would be a good time to turn to civic-eg and see what everyone else is saying....All opinions are welcome!!! Thanks!!
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By i8umup
- Mon Feb 01, 2010 12:47 pm #172470 well ive never owned a b16 or a b18 so the only thing i can comment on is a h22. ive had two. like you stated they are quick but you have to give up 2 of your main comidities. i.e. power steering and ac. there are some mount companies out there that say that use our brand and the pitch will allow u to keep both how ever. i listened to that in my first h22 and its quite frankly bull shit. with out some moddification to the driver headlight area you will not be able to keep your power steering and there is just no room for the ac. then there are other factors like factory mounts have to be cut and your shifter hole has to be cut larger. if you choose to do a h22 i highly recommended that u do the h2b more cost in the inital start but over all..... no fab work has to be done to your car. you still dont keep ac but in my opinion vs the stock d16 that i had its well worth it

hard choice

By jcblessing21
- Mon Feb 01, 2010 8:24 pm #172532 h22 is a cheaper swap of the 3 and stock has more hp(although probably will need the most work to swap into a civic than the other 2).. and this is your daily so if mpg is considered the b16 swap with ac and ps would probably get metter mpg IF you use a gsr tranny.. the b16 tranny is bad for the highway. i have a b16a sir II with j1 tranny i get about 26mpg but thats a rich tune and 4.4 final drive b16 tranny. b16 is also the slowest of the 3 so you choose hp you lose mpg+ac+ps but not much mpg.. personally i think a civic doesnt need ps especially if its a dx with manual box already. yeah i think the b18c1 is an all around good swap its right in the middle of the 3 BUT cost the most usually. if i was you and money was an issue i would go with the H22 more power for less money get a good tune and mpg should still be decent
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By ikon
- Tue Feb 02, 2010 3:22 am #172608 the h22 will make the car front heavy so it will suck in turns but ur daily driving it and said maybe light battles, no track. i say do the gsr swap. it will give you the power you want and you can keep the luxuries. its the happy medium. :thumb:
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By chrono404
- Tue Feb 02, 2010 3:50 am #172612
ikon wrote:the h22 will make the car front heavy so it will suck in turns but ur daily driving it and said maybe light battles, no track. i say do the gsr swap. it will give you the power you want and you can keep the luxuries. its the happy medium. :thumb:

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The H22 swap is good if you want to do drag racing, However if you want to do auto cross or anything involving turning at speed the extra engine mass infront of the wheels will cause much more understeer then having a B Series swap.

For Daily Driving, I would agree on the B18c. It will have more torque to help pull away from traffic lights. It would be much more daily driver friendly than if you had a B16 as it will have much more low end torque.

By Method
- Tue Feb 02, 2010 3:09 pm #172675
ikon wrote:the h22 will make the car front heavy so it will suck in turns but ur daily driving it and said maybe light battles, no track. i say do the gsr swap. it will give you the power you want and you can keep the luxuries. its the happy medium. :thumb:


its not that much heavier then the b. only by 40lbs or so.

OR

By jcblessing21
- Wed Feb 03, 2010 2:13 am #172789 you could just swap to a d16z6 and z6 tranny and boost ?? probably be the cheapest thing to do, lightest on front end, best mpg, could be fastest and reliable if done right.. just a thought.
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Re: OR

By eg84dr
- Wed Feb 03, 2010 3:28 am #172810
jcblessing21 wrote:you could just swap to a d16z6 and z6 tranny and boost ?? probably be the cheapest thing to do, lightest on front end, best mpg, could be fastest and reliable if done right.. just a thought.

x2 d series ftw
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Re: OR

By ikon
- Wed Feb 03, 2010 5:46 am #172870
eg64dr wrote:
jcblessing21 wrote:you could just swap to a d16z6 and z6 tranny and boost ?? probably be the cheapest thing to do, lightest on front end, best mpg, could be fastest and reliable if done right.. just a thought.

x2 d series ftw


YES!!!!! save the sohc's. i love this forum :P
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By jrhdominos
- Wed Feb 03, 2010 10:04 pm #173004 I like the d16 idea myself, since I have a friend who is selling her d16 out of her ex, so that works out perfectly, what do you all think about the jdm d15b??? I've been thinking about that one, but its the jap engine, and Im not sure which replacement parts I would use??? Im thinking I would use parts from the d16, but Im not sure??? Any insight on this????

By jcblessing21
- Wed Feb 03, 2010 10:17 pm #173010 a d15b has a d15 bottom end so d16 parts would not work.. if you wanted forged rods i think you have to get them made for the d15 cuz finding hbeams or ibeams is rare for a d15.. if it was me id get a d16 because the d15b only has 3 more hp than the z6 which is dew to its higher compression ratio (dont need for boost) and slightly aggressive cam(but only 1-3hp lol) so z6 is what i think.. easier to find parts :thumb:
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By eg84dr
- Thu Feb 04, 2010 1:46 am #173039
jcblessing21 wrote:a d15b has a d15 bottom end so d16 parts would not work.. if you wanted forged rods i think you have to get them made for the d15 cuz finding hbeams or ibeams is rare for a d15.. if it was me id get a d16 because the d15b only has 3 more hp than the z6 which is dew to its higher compression ratio (dont need for boost) and slightly aggressive cam(but only 1-3hp lol) so z6 is what i think.. easier to find parts :thumb:

the d15b doesnt have a higher compression they both have 9.2 to 1 no idea where u got that from
and it does have a more agressive cam and is the same casting as a z6 head
and you can get custom rods http://www.fjdistributors.com/
i personallly am a huge fam of the jdm d15b
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By ikon
- Thu Feb 04, 2010 2:08 am #173050 i have it and its really interchangable with d16 parts. im using the intake and exhaust manifolds and all the sensors. its alot better than my old d16z6. youll have no problem finding parts.

By jcblessing21
- Thu Feb 04, 2010 4:28 am #173105
eg64dr wrote:well internals are kinda rare and have to be custom made such as rods
and timing components you have to piece together but its well worth it :thumb:

x2 x2 x2
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