Civic-EG.com Forum 3.3.1

- Sat Mar 27, 2010 8:55 pm #184093

To bad u dont live in cali or u would of been the first person to ask if u would help me out

Yeah that's why I moved to the middle of nowhere! San Diego is too near LA which is full of Honda people.

I haven't taken an install in 2-3 years. I'm a student graphic designer now.

I live in northern part of cali, the honda scene ouf here is more chill...than in La.

- Sun Mar 28, 2010 4:11 am #184156 If there is a short and you try to activate the lock or unlock function like he mentioned it will just blow the constant 12v fuse before the relays. No problem. fix short and replace the fuse. But.... If an inexperienced installer puts the fuse in the wrong location and the source is not fused the current will only be limited by the capacity of the wire. which will burn off the insulation and melt the wire itself. Which could cause a fire no matter how short the duration. A lot of times when people take on wiring they are not familiar with they get impatient and just drill and assume it wont rub through. Or it gets caught in window track etc. I like to recomend fusing by the door because its close to where the most problematic area is. the door jam. Yes your pics of using the factory boot are the best route but often times people get impatient and just do whatever it takes. Im only looking out for people who are willing to try new things. wiring can be tough and i would hate to see a good write up of a burnt down civic.

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- Sun Mar 28, 2010 6:51 am #184178 Okay. But I'm willing to demonstrate for you on my own personal vehicle that it wont throw a spark and wont even blow the 15A fuse that you find on a typical alarm or like the 451m relay pack.

Anyway all installers have their own way of doing things. There's nothing wrong with being overly cautious.

It's great to have another knowledgeable installer on the forum.

- Sun Mar 28, 2010 5:13 pm #184212 I would guess you are using a module that fortunitly has a short protection circuit. If you try the relay diagram in your pic which is 100 percent right. But eliminate the fuse. Check what happens. Please don't try it in your car. Wire up the relays with a simulted short problem on the output and trigger the relays by hand. Make sure your holding the wires with pliers or something though. There is no difference in this short versus if you took a short wire and shorted your battery terminals. If you do this be careful. It's an enlightening experience but can hurt.

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- Mon Mar 29, 2010 5:15 pm #184385 That's very different from the rapid power pulse the alarm puts on the actuator wire.

(I usually used a 451m since there's usually dozens of them laying around. But I'd use 2 relays when the salesman sold them because that's what the shop supervisor told me to do.)

I'm not new to this. I have been doing this since 2000 and have worked professionally for 4-5 of those years. My advanced MECP is still valid (although you and I both know the MECP is meaningless compared to experience). This is not a pissing match whether you have a more impressive resume it's simply a statement of my competence.

I've dealt with many shorts including an amp power cable run underneath a vehicle dragging on the ground and hitting the underside, amp power wire run through the fender in the door jam where the installer kept trying higher and higher rated fuses, amp power wire pinched in the pedal, a wrench dropped and touching both battery terminals, and I've fixed many grounded door lock actuators.... lots of training newbs and lots of cleaning up wanna-be installers messes. I've been shocked by 12 volts DC. It's not nearly as scary as working near airbags.

- Mon Mar 29, 2010 8:12 pm #184421 No doubt you know your stuff. You have a million more posts then me and im sure you know more about hondas specificly as i am pretty new to the eg scene. My experience comes from mostly newer cars that have multiplex everyhting, just about and no one make specificly. Sure i have experience with strait 12v+ or ground triggers too but lets face it. its being phased out. I just happened to pick up a civic earlier this year and figured i would shoot people on here some help. I like to tell people that are new to electronics to be overly careful. It seems that a lot of people get overly ambitios when they touch both terminals of the battery and dont get shocked as if it were AC voltage. Seems they don't respect it till they get a jolt from hei coil or something. Anyways. Your posts are good i thought i would caution him.

- Mon Mar 29, 2010 8:59 pm #184432

No doubt you know your stuff. You have a million more posts then me and im sure you know more about hondas specificly as i am pretty new to the eg scene. My experience comes from mostly newer cars that have multiplex everyhting, just about Pand no one make specificly. Sure i have experience with strait 12v+ or ground triggers too but lets face it. its being phased out. I just happened to pick up a civic earlier this year and figured i would shoot people on here some help. I like to tell people that are new to electronics to be overly careful. It seems that a lot of people get overly ambitios when they touch both terminals of the battery and dont get shocked as if it were AC voltage. Seems they don't respect it till they get a jolt from hei coil or something. Anyways. Your posts are good i thought i would caution him.

Ok thx guys for the help but ive been thinking and ive made up my mind....id rather pay someone to install it professionally than pay a 500 deductible because my car burned to the ground just because i didnt want to pay.