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By Apexracing
#320359
Chance wrote:
Apexracing wrote:Wrong is wrong, i'm sorry but i will never be convinced.



What is wrong about it? Who made it "wrong"... Have you ever taken ANY drug? Cough syrup, percocet, vicodin, oxycontin, xanax, Soma, Zoloft even just a TYLENOL?....drugs. Who made taking those "right"? They really have people brain washed as to what is "right" and what is "wrong". Sad.


Im not brainwashed so dont insult me. Its wrong because it specifically leads to other responsible behaviors ive seen it first hand all through school. People killing them selves by smoking then getting behind the wheel. People just getting by because they are too high to pay attention in class. And when did i say im pro medication. My views are quite the opposite. Only a pot head is going to make the arguement that weed isnt a gateway drug. When its been proven just the same as alcohol. Tylenol doesnt effect your ability to drive, opperate machinery. And it doesnt infringe on other peoples rights to have clean air to breath. Legalizing it would be condoing our up coming generations to casually get high, possibly avoiding real issues in their lifes. I can go on and on. But i grew up with this all through school and im in no way "brain washed". Its one of my core belifes. And your telling me you can be a responsible parent and smoke weed around your children? Where do you draw the line chance.
By HeikDiesel
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Chance wrote:
HeikDiesel wrote:Correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't Colorado require 10% of registered voters to sign a petition to get the amendment started but it still can be overturned by the state prior to being put on the ballot?

Also these beer sponsored stadiums are PROFESSIONAL stadiums, ones that bring in millons of dollars in revenue. Are you really comparing that to stadiums built by pot for highschools? lol


:facepalm:


Once again your facepalm doesn't do anything for this discussion.
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By chrono404
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Apexracing wrote:Only a pot head is going to make the arguement that weed isnt a gateway drug.


I would argue that Weed is the gateway drug people say it is. Why do I say that? Its becouse everyone I know drank beer or smoked cirgerettes long before getting into marajania.

The Reason people dont claim cigerettes or beer as gateway drugs as they are legal.As stated before, every single person I know that has smoked pot has either smoked cigerettes or drank beer well before.

Apexracing wrote:Its one of my core belifes. And your telling me you can be a responsible parent and smoke weed around your children? Where do you draw the line chance


A responsible parent will not smoke anything around their child. Thankfully there are edible's, thc extract, tinctures, etc. All of that will not get the smoke of marajania around their children.

As i have said before, I would rather have people smoking or eating cannabis then drinking alchohol and smoking cigerettes. Its much safer then both, while also having medical values.
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By YoTsi
#320688 i think its sweet and of course they start legalizing when i moved out of the F@#king country xD i read somewhere on this thread somebody saying they could take you to a hospital to have blood work done to detect for a DUI? here in finland everytime you get pulled the cops make you blow in the machine for alcohol and then make you spit on a piece of paper before even taking your DL. and if that paper turns purple your screwed xD but they do it this way because they know it can be in your system for 2-3 weeks and only really care if you DUI. and since the cities here only have like 10,000-20,000 people per city the cops know everyone and everyone that smokes xD also this makes me have to drive like a ninja since they know to look for my car because i have unpaid taxes :hehe: but they are talking about legalizing here for medical use and amsterdam is soon changing its policies saying tourists wont be able to purchase anymore so if you have dreams of hitting the coffee shops you better do it now...and ive toked some fine bud in the USA and that stuff doesnt compare AT ALL to amsterdam ive never been so screwed off 1 joint in my entire life of smoking-12 years...and the joint was half tobacco xD
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By Apexracing
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chrono404 wrote:
Apexracing wrote:Only a pot head is going to make the arguement that weed isnt a gateway drug.


I would argue that Weed is the gateway drug people say it is. Why do I say that? Its becouse everyone I know drank beer or smoked cirgerettes long before getting into marajania.

The Reason people dont claim cigerettes or beer as gateway drugs as they are legal.As stated before, every single person I know that has smoked pot has either smoked cigerettes or drank beer well before.

Apexracing wrote:Its one of my core belifes. And your telling me you can be a responsible parent and smoke weed around your children? Where do you draw the line chance


A responsible parent will not smoke anything around their child. Thankfully there are edible's, thc extract, tinctures, etc. All of that will not get the smoke of marajania around their children.

As i have said before, I would rather have people smoking or eating cannabis then drinking alchohol and smoking cigerettes. Its much safer then both, while also having medical values.


But people that smoke marijuana, and i've met quite a few are just as careless with that as they are tobacco. And who is to say that big tobacco wont get ahold of it once its legal. Then you will have marijuana laced with all the dangerous chemicals that tobacco is. I guess it being a gateway drug is on a case by case, but its proven it leads to harder drug use in most cases. Were not talking alcohol or tobacco, but coke, and heroin ect.
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By YoTsi
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But people that smoke marijuana, and i've met quite a few are just as careless with that as they are tobacco. And who is to say that big tobacco wont get ahold of it once its legal. Then you will have marijuana laced with all the dangerous chemicals that tobacco is. I guess it being a gateway drug is on a case by case, but its proven it leads to harder drug use in most cases. Were not talking alcohol or tobacco, but coke, and heroin ect.


wrong broski...i been smoking for around 12 years and i smoke maybe half a gram to a gram per week these days...its all about how mature the smoker is. oh and not to mention every smoker i have met in those 12 years have not once tried anything else except all things organic like shrooms and smoking banana peels(old army trick) oh and truffles :) i myself have had no interest in trying anything else but pot because its the same as getting drunk but minus the sick/tired feeling with the hangover the next day...and smoking cures hangovers like a miracle ;) that proven fact it leads to harder drugs crap is well...crap.
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By Apexracing
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YoTsi wrote:
But people that smoke marijuana, and i've met quite a few are just as careless with that as they are tobacco. And who is to say that big tobacco wont get ahold of it once its legal. Then you will have marijuana laced with all the dangerous chemicals that tobacco is. I guess it being a gateway drug is on a case by case, but its proven it leads to harder drug use in most cases. Were not talking alcohol or tobacco, but coke, and heroin ect.


wrong broski...i been smoking for around 12 years and i smoke maybe half a gram to a gram per week these days...its all about how mature the smoker is. oh and not to mention every smoker i have met in those 12 years have not once tried anything else except all things organic like shrooms and smoking banana peels(old army trick) oh and truffles :) i myself have had no interest in trying anything else but pot because its the same as getting drunk but minus the sick/tired feeling with the hangover the next day...and smoking cures hangovers like a miracle ;) that proven fact it leads to harder drugs crap is well...crap.



Its not crap, there are numbers to support it. Like i said not every one on here has run into it but some have.
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By YoTsi
#320707 your talking about numbers on the internet that were written by the same people that lied about the effects of pot in order to get it outlawed? are you talking about those numbers? cuz...ive seen the studies first hand and ive lived it and seen and smoked with thousands of people all over the east coast and europe that feel the same way i do :hehe:
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By FG2_Andrew
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YoTsi wrote:your talking about numbers on the internet that were written by the same people that lied about the effects of pot in order to get it outlawed? are you talking about those numbers? cuz...ive seen the studies first hand and ive lived it and seen and smoked with thousands of people all over the east coast and europe that feel the same way i do :hehe:



so you've seen studies first hand from people who are trying to un-ban it? both studies are more than likely 1000000% biased. i honestly don't think there would be an issue with pot if people quit being fuckheads about it.

"man, i'm so high man." cool. no one gives a fuck. if you want to smoke it, smoke it and shut the fuck up about it. i promise, NO ONE is impressed that you smoke pot (except for other pot smokers i guess).
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By YoTsi
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so you've seen studies first hand from people who are trying to un-ban it? both studies are more than likely 1000000% biased. i honestly don't think there would be an issue with pot if people quit being fuckheads about it.

"man, i'm so high man." cool. no one gives a fuck. if you want to smoke it, smoke it and shut the fuck up about it. i promise, NO ONE is impressed that you smoke pot (except for other pot smokers i guess).


i never said anything about looking or searching for studies but i know from what ive seen internationally and i agree with you 100 percent about the studies being biased and i dont care about impressing anyone either xD i smoke on the weekends instead of getting drunk and if i get drunk i dont smoke until the next morning just to rid myself of the hangover. i dont even condone smoking just like i dont condone drinking or doing anything intoxicating for that matter. i just feel that if you wanna do what you wanna do your gonna do it regardless some people do need to wake up and stop smoking day in and day out its a recreational thing just like drinking but some people just cant handle it. and i dont think its a gateway drug at all because EVERYONE i have smoked with doesnt do anything but smoke or drink and many of them used to pop heavy dosed pills before they started smoking and stopped doing the harder drugs because pot was more enjoyable and less stressful. and im just amazed by people that still believe that D.A.R.E awarness bullcrap they learned in middle school xD makes me wonder if some people that had there parents tell them that kissing a girl can get her pregnant still believe THAT as well xD its a free nation (USA) and how can you be free if you cant even do what you want to your own body :P anyways im done on the topic and thats my opinion
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By chrono404
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Apexracing wrote:But people that smoke marijuana, and i've met quite a few are just as careless with that as they are tobacco. And who is to say that big tobacco wont get ahold of it once its legal. Then you will have marijuana laced with all the dangerous chemicals that tobacco is. I guess it being a gateway drug is on a case by case, but its proven it leads to harder drug use in most cases. Were not talking alcohol or tobacco, but coke, and heroin ect.


Why are you talking about alcohol or tobacco when talking about recreational drugs. They are legalized however its okay to not consider them a gateway to getting into harder things? If thats the case then marajania will be clear and free in a few weeks.

It will be very hard to find somone who smokes marajania that has not smoked a cigarette or drank alcohol sometime in their past. As mentioned prior in this thread what moves people to going to stronger drugs is not what they are on now. its they are either very bored in a poor income area or are trying to escape something.

Alot of studys on canabis and the effects it does on people will happen in 2013 more likely then not. Then we will be able to see alot more into what it does to you. I still believe its better for you then tabacco and alcohol.

The war on drugs has been very un successful and I hope it dies soon. However legal canabis is one good step. Hopefully the US will stop wasting its money on the BS called the war on drugs.

Also an intresting exprement on driving high done by the BBC:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TzKjFiGFrcU
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By Apexracing
#320791
chrono404 wrote:
Apexracing wrote:But people that smoke marijuana, and i've met quite a few are just as careless with that as they are tobacco. And who is to say that big tobacco wont get ahold of it once its legal. Then you will have marijuana laced with all the dangerous chemicals that tobacco is. I guess it being a gateway drug is on a case by case, but its proven it leads to harder drug use in most cases. Were not talking alcohol or tobacco, but coke, and heroin ect.


Why are you talking about alcohol or tobacco when talking about recreational drugs. They are legalized however its okay to not consider them a gateway to getting into harder things? If thats the case then marajania will be clear and free in a few weeks.

It will be very hard to find somone who smokes marajania that has not smoked a cigarette or drank alcohol sometime in their past. As mentioned prior in this thread what moves people to going to stronger drugs is not what they are on now. its they are either very bored in a poor income area or are trying to escape something.

Alot of studys on canabis and the effects it does on people will happen in 2013 more likely then not. Then we will be able to see alot more into what it does to you. I still believe its better for you then tabacco and alcohol.

The war on drugs has been very un successful and I hope it dies soon. However legal canabis is one good step. Hopefully the US will stop wasting its money on the BS called the war on drugs.

Also an intresting exprement on driving high done by the BBC:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TzKjFiGFrcU


No Brian i mean alcohol and tobacco are more common. I'd like to see tobacco made illegal too but now i'm just dreaming. I'll probably end up moving if its legalized in my state. That shits nasty and i dont want my family around it. If someone gets my baby girl into that shit when she gets older, i'll beat a kid half to death. Just saying :thumb: I'll stay out of this thread from now on. I have my feelings and my reasons to be against this, so with that said. Later fellas.
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By YoTsi
#320984 and for you guys talking about it being a gateway drug you can skip to 16min24sec on the video but you can just watch it from the beginning also :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gnFJYxCx ... ture=share

and dont bash the video when you only watch 1 min of it xD just watch it and comment what you think and let us know if you still believe that crap you learned in D.A.R.E in middle school xD